Interview
With Senior
Ba'ath Party Member
By Dahr Jamail
21 April, 2007
Countercurrents.org
On Sunday April 15th I interviewed a high ranking member of Iraq's
Ba'ath Party in Damascus, Syria. Like many senior party members, he
lives in exile in Syria, and spoke on condition of anonymity by asking
to be referred to as Abu Mohammed. The following is an exclusive interview:
Dahr Jamail:
Please tell me a little about your position.
Abu Mohammed:
I am a representative of the Baath Party and Iraq's National Resistance.
DJ: Western
corporate media portrays most of the violence in Iraq as if it is the
Iraqis who are killing each other with suicide car bombs in markets,
etc. What is your opinion of Iraqi on Iraqi violence?
AM: As a
matter of fact, since the beginning of the occupation, the Iraqi resistance
has been doing their operations only against American troops and their
allies. Iraqis killing each other and civilians dying is the fault of
the invaders because there are too many parties and all these parties
formed militias. Some of these are supported by the Americans, some
by the Zionists, and some by the Iranians. But the job of the Iraqi
resistance is to get rid of the American occupation and they are not
killing civilians.
DJ: Then
who is responsible for killing the civilians?
AM: The
militias and invaders. The occupation forces and militias sponsored
by the Americans, the militias backed by the Americans, Zionists, and
Iranians. The goal from this is to make the resistance appear bad, as
well as simply to kill Iraqis.
DJ: Friends
I know in Baquba say the resistance is fighting Al-Qaeda there. Is this
happening in Al-Anbar province as well?
AM: Al-Qaeda
was not in Iraq before the invasion, nor their allies. Al-Qaeda started
their work in Iraq after the invasion. As Baathists, we look at Al-Qaeda
as different-they have different strategies, beliefs and tactics, it's
all different. Al-Qaeda aims to follow the Americans and kill them anywhere
in the world. The Iraqi resistance only kills American troops in Iraq-so
this is an important difference between us.
DJ: American
leaders claim they have had talks with the Iraqi resistance. Is this
true?
AM: The
American administration and the American troops are getting used to
lies. They invaded Iraq, they looted Iraq, they killed Iraqis and all
of this was based on lies. They took the former government to a court
and judged them and executed them and all of this was based on lies
and illegalities. The invasion itself was based on weapons of mass destruction,
and relations with Al-Qaeda - then it turns out there are no weapons
of mass destruction and no relations with Al-Qaeda, so they were both
lies. The Americans having negotiations with the resistance is also
a lie. Up to now we've seen no move towards negotiations with the resistance
about Iraq's rights. If the Americans want to get out of Iraq and save
face, they have to negotiate with the resistance and Baath Party leaders
in order to negotiate Iraq's rights.
DJ: Why
do you think they have to negotiate with Baath Party leaders?
AM: They
won't negotiate with the Baath Party because the Baath Party and our
resistance is the main branch of resistance in Iraq. Nevertheless there
are other resistance groups in Iraq that we do respect. The resistance
we're talking about is the Baath party members' resistance and other
groups as well. If the Americans wanted to negotiate with the resistance
they can negotiate with any group they want that represents the resistance.
DJ: What
exactly is the Iraqi resistance? What are they comprised of?
AM: The
Iraqi resistance is a patriotic resistance by the Iraqis. It has many
groups from many sects of Islam and it's not exclusively in one area
of Iraq. There are so many parts of the resistance. Some are Baathists,
some are Islamists. We hope that the next government will be democratic
and include all the sectors and sects of society because the new government
should be of one sharing government.
DJ: Who
is funding and arming the Iraqi resistance?
AM: In Iraq there are so
many weapons. The Baath provided enough to fight for the next 15 years.
About funding, Iraq is a rich country with many rich people, so we can
get the funding from inside of Iraq.
DJ: What
are the demands of the Iraqi resistance?
AM: We declare
liberation and independence. We do not have demands. We have rights.
We want Iraq's rights. Our demand is to give back Iraq's rights. The
rights of our people include the following:
1. All parts of the Iraqi
resistance should be the exclusive representatives for Iraqis.
2. An immediate withdrawal of American forces without conditions.
3. Full compensation for both Iraq and Iraqis for those who have been
killed since the sanctions starting in 1991 until now. During the sanctions,
1.7 million Iraqis were killed. And according to the Lancet report,
655,000 have been killed, and by now possibly even one million.
4. The release of everyone in prisons.
5. Canceling all the current political procedures and all the 100 Bremer
Orders legislation done during the Iraqi Governing Council because according
to international law, it is illegal to make any political and legislative
action while the country is under occupation.
6. Canceling the UN legislation that has been passed since the sanctions.
7. Putting all the traitors, those who betrayed Iraq, and those who
are allies of the Americans into trials.
These are the rights of the
country and if the Americans and their allies respect these rights,
we can sit together. Not to negotiate these rights, but to plan the
withdrawal and discuss the implementation of these rights. Also, the
resistance will go on no matter how long it takes or how much it costs,
until there is a withdrawal.
DJ: What
do you think the solution is to the crisis in Iraq?
AM: This
is the only solution we have.
DJ: How
do you think the Americans are going to leave Iraq?
AM: I've
mentioned before that they have two ways. The first way is to respect
Iraq's rights, and to sit with the Baath party and the resistance and
resistance leaders to implement these rights. Then we will allow them
to go out with whatever is left of their troops, and with saving some
face. The second way is the resistance will continue until they withdraw,
and they will not save face.
DJ: What
is the strategy of the Iraqi resistance towards Iran?
AM: The
resistance strategy against Iran is to liberate Iraq not only from the
Americans but to liberate Iraq from the sectarian intruders of Iraq
and the separation and extortion that the occupation created. We are
aiming for a deep and radical liberation of Iraq.
DJ: What
is your opinion of the role of the UN, Arab League, and neighboring
countries?
AM: This
role will be summarized by them giving humanitarian support to Iraqis
after the withdrawal of the Americans.
DJ: Who
is responsible for the attacks against occupation forces in the south?
AM: The
resistance is spread all over Iraq, from the north to the south. The
resistance in the south against the British army is a pure Iraqi resistance
that includes the jihadi resistance and some Baath party leaders.
DJ: Is the
majority of the Iraqi resistance from the former army?
AM: Most
of the resistance are former Iraqi Army military.
DJ: What
are your comments on the growing conflict between the Shia and Sunni
in Iraq?
AM: The
truth is that the so-called conflict between the Shia and Sunni is not
something real. It is due to political goals. Shia, Sunni and Kurds
have been living in Iraq for over a thousand years together and there
have not been conflicts such as these we see today. This conflict is
growing because of the invaders. And when the occupiers, invaders and
their allies withdraw from Iraq this conflict will end.
DJ: What
message would you like to give to the people of the U.S.?
AM: George
Bush has insulted America in Iraq. I would like to say the American
troops are humiliated in Iraq. Your troops are crying in the streets
of Iraq, and they are defeated. Bush is lying to you. The number of
American casualties exceeds the announced number by thousands. The real
number is so much higher. This is my message. And I would like to ask
them to push their government to withdrawal from Iraq, otherwise they
will be annihilated. I would also like to say that they have to respect
our rights. If they withdrawal by the aforementioned plans, we can say
we do not hate the Americans and we are willing to have good relations
with America and her allies.
DJ: What
message would you like to give the Bush administration?
AM: The
American administration is full of criminals and liars. They have to
respect the rights of the Iraqis. We will charge them in international
court for what they have done in Iraq and they should have to admit
their fault in front of the whole world as well as the American people.
They should not lie anymore and they should be rational and withdrawal
their troops.
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