December
13's Bodily Fluids
By Arundhati Roy
& Amit Sengupta
10 January, 2007
Countercurrents.org
On December 13, 2001, the Indian
Parliament was attacked by five (some say six) armed men. Five years
later we still do not know who was behind the attack and the identity
of the attackers. Civil society groups have pointed out that the police
violated legal safeguards, fabricated evidence and extracted false confessions.
Even the Supreme Court rejected the 'confession' of Afzal Guru, which
was repeatedly telecast by irresponsible TV channels and presumed as
stage-managed media plants by the Special Police. Earlier, a Delhi-based
academic, Professor SAR Geelani, was falsely implicated and almost led
to the hangman's noose, despite stunningly thin evidence against him.
There was a big campaign against the death penalty, led by novelist
Arundhati Roy, social scientist Rajni Kothari, among other eminent citizens.
He was acquitted. Till today, as Roy asks, no one knows the identity
of the five (or six?) attackers. Was it an inside job, this interview
puts this question to Roy? No one knows and no one can claim anything
with clear evidence, because a huge web of propaganda, lies and half-lies
have been fabricated by the establishment, police, intelligence agencies
and the media in India.
As of now, Afzal Guru has
been sentenced to death, accused as part of the 'conspiracy', though
no direct evidence about his involvement has been found. There is a
big campaign for a retrial because he did not even have legal representation
at the trial court, though the BJP is clamouring for his blood. How
can you hang someone without even a legal trial?
Arundhati Roy launched in
a jam-packed auditorium, on December 12 in Delhi, a new book, published
by Penguin, 13 December, A Reader: The Strange Case of the Attack on
the Indian Parliament. The Reader brings together 15 incisive essays
by academics, journalists and lawyers, who look at the available facts
and raise serious questions about the dubious investigations and the
not-so-fair trial of the Parliament attack case. The Reader includes
an introduction by Roy. The writers prove that not a single piece of
evidence stands up to scrutiny and emphasise the urgent need for an
inquiry into the Parliament attack that led to a military stand-off
with Pakistan, threat of a nuclear war in the subcontinent and hundreds
of meaningless deaths, apart from crores lost in this act of war. Roy
has asked 13 hard-hitting questions that will put the political establishment
and the thick-skinned 'embedded media' in much embarrassment. But the
uncanny question remains: will they still hang Afzal, despite no legal
representation, and flimsy evidence?
Is the 'fundamentalist'
Islamic threat a real or fake one, or has it been invented by the Indian
establishment's propaganda machinery and intelligence agencies?
It's not entirely fake nor
is it entirely real. Robert Pape, in his book Dying to Win, talks of
how an overwhelming majority of suicide bombers are actually fighting
neo-colonial military occupation. I think this is very revealing. What
we see as the threat of 'Islamic terrorism' or 'Islamic fundamentalism'
has a lot to do with liberation struggles in which Islam is used as
an instrument of mobilisation — extremely effectively. Using religion
or ethnic identity to mobilise people in liberation struggles is not
new. The other aspect of Islamic 'fundamentalism' is that when people,
who see themselves as belonging to a particular ethnic group or religion
begin to feel oppressed, occupied, unfree, dominated by the 'other',
it often radicalises them and they turn inward.
The third more complex aspect
of it is that 'Islamic fundamentalism' now has such a bad name that
it is used to discredit those fighting an occupation. And therefore,
actually cultivated by the 'occupier'. This happened early on with Hamas
in Palestine, which was used to discredit the more secular Palestine
Liberation Organisation (PLO). It happens in all sorts of complex ways
in Kashmir, because if they can portray the resistance as a bunch of
mad, fanatic terrorists bent on the destruction of the world, then that's
most of the battle won. For all the talk of 'Islamic fundamentalism'
in Kashmir, you see more women in burqas (veils) in Mumbai or Old Delhi
than you do in Kashmir. You see women more oppressed in rural Bihar
than in the Kashmir Valley. But the harder and more brutal the army
boot, the more people are going to retreat into intolerance and obscurantism.
What is your take on Islamic 'terrorist' organisations like
the Lashkar-e-Toiba or Jaish-e-Mohammad?
I'm not an expert on the
Lashkar or the Jaish. All I can say is that in Kashmir not everybody
looks at them as 'terrorist' organisations. Many see them as part of
a liberation struggle. Obviously they are viewed here (in Delhi) differently
from the way they are viewed there.
How will you react if school-going children are killed in the
heart of Srinagar by a bomb blast?
With unmitigated horror.
But I would have absolutely no idea who did it by reading/watching the
press/media reports. It could be militants, but equally, it could be
the security forces, the police or the renegades, or surrendered militants
often working with the police. That's how things have become. It's hard
to know what to believe anymore. What's worse, it's hard for people
to tell the truth anymore, they're just too vulnerable. Kashmir is a
valley that is awash in soldiers, militants, weapons, ammunition, spies,
double agents, intelligence agencies, NGOs and unimaginable sums of
unaccounted for money. The strangest things happen. The army runs orphanages
and sewing centres.
The Union home ministry of
the central government has a television channel. It's hard to tell who's
working for whom, who's being used by whom. Sometimes people themselves
don't know who they're working for or who they've been set up by.
Do you think Muslims
are being systematically targetted in India?
Yes. Isn't that what the
Sachar report has exposed, unambiguously (The Sachar report, constituted
by a prime ministerial committee, has documented that Indian Muslims
are one of the poorest, most backward, unrepresented in high or middle
jobs and extremely illiterate and impoverished community.) As for Gujarat,
what's going on there now ought to count as a crime against humanity.
After the bloodbath of 2002 (there was an anti-Muslim genocide in Gujarat,
organised and executed by right wing Hindu forces led by the Bharatiya
Janata Party (BJP), which also controlled the central and federal state
government), in which more than 2,000 Muslims were systematically slaughtered
in broad daylight, and 1,50,000 driven from their homes, now Muslims,
far from being rehabilitated, are being ghettoised and systematically
ground down and driven out of the state. And there's dead silence from
our current 'secular' government (United Progressive Alliance government
led by the Congress backed by the Left). Dead silence from the Left
Front. The 2002 violence was visible. This invisible, non-physically-violent
form of fascism is equally horrifying. We seem to be rapidly moving
towards talking of Muslims only as either victims or terrorists. I think
we're sitting on a time bomb.
Do you think the
December 13 attack on Parliament was an inside job?
That presumes we know what's
'inside' and what's 'outside'. I don't think we do. If you journey through
the layers that are laid over each other, starting, say, from the clearly
distinguishable ones — the Parliament, the judiciary, the mass
media — by the time you get to the lower layers of the security
apparatus in Kashmir, the Special Task Force (STF), the Special Operations
Group (SOG), they become porous, osmotic; they blur into the universe
of renegades, surrendered militants, informers, spies… Eventually
there's a sort of exchange of bodily fluids.
This is what is being revealed
in the case of the Parliament attack. We don't know who was behind it.
What we do know is that the official version just doesn't hold up. What
we do know is that arrest memos were fabricated, evidence was tampered
with, lies were told and confessions were extracted under torture. Why?
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to guess that when someone lies,
they're trying to cover something up. We'd like to know what that is.
We have a right to know.
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